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26 September 2015 @ 02:11 pm
So, what was the deal with those Mayan "elephant" carvings?  

Could be a few surviving Cuvieronius. Cuvieroniuses? Whatever. Someone said the elephants are just stylized parrot heads.

Remains of Cuvieronius were found in association with man, and pieces of its hide and muscle tissue have been found in Chile: “The site has also yielded 38 small pieces of animal hide and muscle tissue, some still preserved on bones of Cuvieronius. Pieces of hide also were recovered from hearth areas, living floors, and wooden structural remains. Some pieces were still attached to wooden poles, possible suggesting the presence of hide-draped huts. Pathological and other analyses of these pieces suggest that they are also of a proboscidean.” South American fossils formerly attributed to mastodons are now believed to be Cuvieronius.

The related Stegomastodon occupied warmer, lower-altitude habitats in South America, while the smaller C. hyodon occupied cooler, higher-altitude Andean habitats. It has been C14 dated to as recently as 6,060 BP in Yumbo, Valle del Cauca, Colombia.

Trying to look into this, I get sidetracked into sites claiming with Incas sailed the Pacific or were survivors of Mu, and ancient aliens even keep sneaking in. Let me sift through the gravel for a gem or two.

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John Halljhall1 on September 26th, 2015 06:36 pm (UTC)
I get sidetracked into sites claiming with Incas sailed the Pacific

A British satirist using the pen-name of "Peter Simple" played with a variation on that idea, in this case that Aztecs sailed the Atlantic. His politics were extreme right-wing by British standards (though they might not seem quite so extreme by those of the US), but that didn't stop him from being brilliantly funny. See:


The section headed "Aztec Ideals".



The section headed "Aztec Rights".
dochermesdochermes on September 26th, 2015 07:36 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, I have to get going now but I will look into this later. Thanks.
(Anonymous) on September 26th, 2015 11:25 pm (UTC)
This...is...kinda...weird, actually.
I'm not sure what to make of this.
m_faustusm_faustus on September 26th, 2015 11:37 pm (UTC)
No. Just no. It's not an elephant. It's a section of Stela B from Copan that kinda maybe looks like a trunk. It's not. It really isn't.
(Anonymous) on September 27th, 2015 06:28 pm (UTC)
Well spotted. It made me google copan macaw and you can see from the carving it's the macaw with its beak pointing down. Notice there are no big elephant ears. It reminds me of the famous so called astronaut which makes no sense unless you understand the iconography of the incans. Which I don't but I read the explanation by a real archeologist and it was good enough for me. (With references if you are so inclined )http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/pacals-rocket/
dochermesdochermes on September 27th, 2015 07:14 pm (UTC)
Looking over CHARIOTS OF THE GODS and similar books, I'm stunned that so many took Van Danikan seriously. But then, WORLDS IN COLLISION sold well and that book claimed Venus was ejected from Jupiter and caused the Sun to stand still for Joshua. This does not seem likely.
(Anonymous) on April 17th, 2019 05:51 am (UTC)
Do you have any stylized macaw carving pictures to back your assertion up? I’m not saying it is not macaw, but I would be interested in some corroboration. I haven’t found any picture of a carving with an elongated beak like that.
(Anonymous) on September 27th, 2015 12:03 am (UTC)
I was worried there, for a minute.
wt_1: pic#125121199wt_1 on September 27th, 2015 04:42 am (UTC)
In case anyone was wondering, Cuvieronius was a Gomphothere. You're welcome!

dochermesdochermes on September 27th, 2015 07:10 pm (UTC)
Gompotheres are just not appreciated enough.